Is there a bottom?

Various ancient cultures held very interesting mythologies. “Wise men” would sit around and contemplate deep subjects such as the origin of the universe and other interesting questions. One such question involved the Earth and its place in the Solar System. In a certain commonsensical way, everything we observe around us seems to be sitting on or is supported by something else. Many ancients wondered what was supporting the Earth itself. The Earth, in a sense, is the ultimate “foundation” for virtually everything we directly interact with each day. The cell phone you use is supported by your hand, which is supported by your arm, which is in turn supported by the rest of your body, which is perhaps supported by the chair you are sitting on, which is supported by the floor in whatever room you are in, which is supported by joists or concrete which is part of the house or building structure you are in, which is supported by the ground, which is part of the Earth! Talk about run-on sentences!

So, the million-dollar question is, “If all that is supported by the Earth, what is the Earth supported by?” The ancients wondered. One theory, as bizarre as it sounds, was that the Earth sits atop seven giant elephants! Really? Yes, really! But what were the elephants supported by? They were all on the back of a giant turtle or tortoise! Wow, what an imagination! Wait a minute. What was the giant turtle standing on? Well, it was on another giant turtle. OK. What was THAT giant turtle on? Hey, it’s turtles all the way down! Have you ever heard the phrase, “Turtles all the way down”? Now you have!

There’s no end—no “bottom” in a sense. It goes on forever. It’s called an infinite regress. That’s a silly idea, but you get the picture. It is not my intention to focus on the physics of the Earth, but I will mention that, once again, the Bible got it right, even before we had modern science or the likes of Isaac Newton.

He stretches out the north over the void and hangs the earth on nothing
(Job 26:7).

That’s a pretty accurate description of how the Earth stays in orbit due to the gravitational pull of the sun (not sitting or hanging on anything). But that’s not even my point. Everything in this article up to now has been a bonus. Lucky you! 😁

So, here’s my point, and it should be very practical.

For every argument, there is a counterargument. Some counterarguments are extremely well-constructed. Others may be extremely weak, completely baseless, and entirely illogical. Let’s ignore the completely irrational category for now.

Let’s think through a generic discussion between a Christian and a skeptic, both of whom are considered somewhat of an expert in their field.

Level 1:

​The Christian expert makes a claim you agree with, and you feel it is certainly biblically sound.  You are encouraged to hear it because it supports what you already believe. It gives you additional confidence and is perhaps an argument you can use going forward in any discussion you may have with someone else.

Level 2:    

The expert skeptic makes a counterclaim that, as far as you can tell, seems to negate or at least strongly call into question the initial claim made by the Christian. You’re feeling a bit nervous about this because it goes against what you believe, but you are not able to see any flaws in the counterargument.

Level 3:

The Christian expert makes a counter-counterargument, claiming to show why the skeptic’s counterargument is invalid, which in turn means the initial claim by the Christian is true. Now you’re feeling good again.

​Level 4:      

The expert skeptic makes a further argument, seemingly negating the counter-counterargument made by the Christian. You’re back to feeling uncomfortable again because it goes against what you believe, but once again, you   are not able to see any flaws in this latest argument.

More Questions of the Month

Picture of a black hole?

I remember as a kid, showing someone a blank piece of paper and telling them it was a picture of a polar bear in a snowstorm! Unfortunately for those who know me, my sense of humor hasn’t changed a whole lot! What does this have to do with black holes? I’m glad you asked.

Should you make a deal with God?

You may be familiar with the account in the Bible where Abraham pleads with God to spare Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18:16-33). Abraham, motivated by the fact that his nephew, Lot, was living there, wanted God to spare the people in these two cities that had become incredibly corrupt and vile. He reasoned that surely God would not “destroy the righteous with the wicked.” So, Abraham asked, if “there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous?” God agrees not to destroy the cities ​if he can find 50 righteous people. You probably know Abraham turns

Is the Earth actually flat?

​Wait a minute ̶ isn’t this a topic that came up a long time ago, but was handily put to bed for good? You’d think so, however, it has resurfaced and is quite popular and debated in many circles. In some respect, it’s similar to the claim that we never actually landed on the moon. (i.e., It’s all just a conspiracy that the US government continues to successfully perpetuate.) Both Christians and non-Christians alike can be found among the supporters of the belief in a flat Earth.

Why are we REALLY losing our kids?

If you’ve been following our ministry for any length of time, you are probably well aware that we deal quite a bit with the phenomena of youth from Christian homes walking away from their faith before they finish college. Statistics indicate that currently two-thirds or more are leaving their beliefs by the wayside, many never to return. There’s a very good chance that you or someone very close to you has had personal experience with this tragic trend.

Do mutations create new information?

We are told very confidently that evolution is a fact, like apples falling off of trees. It is also claimed that if you don’t believe in evolution, you are insane. Now, as usual, it is very important at this point to define what I mean by “evolution”. I am not simply referring to “change”. We see change all the time, but it’s not the kind of change necessary to produce “molecules-to-man” evolution, which is what is taught in our public schools and state universities (and even many Christian schools and universities, unfortunately).

Who do you fear more, God or man?

Alright, what kind of question is this? One that for most people has an answer that seems fairly obvious. In that sense, it’s more of a rhetorical question. However (and as usual), I am going to make a larger point.

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